珍惜物种,产地,产量以及相关

<p>嗯，支持啊男。。。</p>

<p>抛开所有的争论，我还是支持阿男对原生的那份热爱的[em60]</p>

<p>以上所有陈述内容,有友人也有敌人可以提供详细的证词</p>
<p>另外长麦穗一事其实原本就很简单,不过被大家的争论搞复杂罢了</p>
<p>那事再还想把我拉进去,恐怕也真难了吧</p>

<p>鄙人酷爱原生,至今已20年有余,本理想主义的以为可以做些研究,做点对"人类"有益之事,无奈现实是残酷的,科研经费永远是一个无底的空洞,一年多方筹集的10余W的经费,常常过10月已经见底,自己3年来在考察上靠缩减餐宿一年都无法为自己筹够区区一万的日常开销,而其他所有的费用都用在研究上了.李同学也承认了,研究全靠私人经费,可想基础科研之难度,时至今日,连水生所的项目都日渐艰难,更别说一般研究者了.而侯勉更是在相当长的时间内将自己的所有薪水稿费全部投入在科研之中,大家都是抱着一腔热血进去的,但其中的艰辛也是难以想象的.如龙王山那般9死1生的经历确实丰富了我的人生,数次坠崖的一身伤痛也只有自己清楚.窃以为,最可贵的就是认识了那么多朋友.我本是一个虚伪的完美主义者,希望得到所有人的认可与支持,但现实却本非如此简单.真的希望经过这样的事情,还能有朋友可以谅解我,与我而言,友谊本是胜过其他的,我平日之所作所为,清楚者众,所有的不过是为了维护我所看重的实却虚无的友情.事情憋到今天很久了,诚然更多的朋友站到了我的身边,但免不了一直惆怅,有不少过去的好友甚至我认为最铁的兄弟站到了天平了另外一端.责任本在于我,此时所有话出口,恍惚在似在雨下看到了远方的阳光.</p>
<p>今后不管大家如何评价,我一样会保持我的爱好,抓我的鱼,送我的鱼,也不忘记在经济危机时讨要朋友们的支持!只恐怕钱是再也不缺,但无法回到过去那样有时间有闲做自己的时光了,发此一说,聊以纪念我追求理想的人生.</p>
<p>请饿总把这个帖子固顶吧,方便把最近所有的争端都解决了</p>

<p>另外已经答应友人的,一个实验室的建设以及自己起草参与的重要项目,作为有始有终我会完成他们</p>
<p>已经进入修改发表阶段的文章也会陆续出现,请不要因此而认为我虚伪,谢谢</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>海洋馆的长江鱼类展我作为合伙人也会继续帮忙,力争让大众看到更多的原生鱼类</p>
<p>运营部门的主管是家父之友人,我是什么性质参与的也方便查找</p>
<p>需要进去参观的MM不妨跟我预约下,我的好处也就那么多了</p>
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<p>石头我有愧于他,所有他需要的物种只要不涉及保护级别我将一概帮忙</p>
<p>但不会赚取任何费用,好处当然是要的,繁殖出的个体,台湾的物种就是我最好的回报</p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2009-2-24 2:54:27编辑过]

<p>不要气馁。追逐自己的爱好和理想</p>

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<p><span lang="EN-US">2008</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">年</span><span lang="EN-US">12</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">月底，受相关机构委托，再次前往广西，计划顺途探访产地流入市场都货源问题。</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">(1)</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">出行前因为科研好友介绍认识了台湾友人石头</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">谈及了厚唇的问题，在详细了解清现存都问题后，商讨求一批次厚唇成体用以繁殖做商业目的。因对方是信誉良好，且意图繁殖，鄙人不假思索就答应来此事，并以一贯都作风谈妥对方报销我的路途正当花费</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">而本人要求对方的第一批繁殖个体提供给诸位友人</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">石头是诚信商人</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">请不要迁怒与他</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">(2)</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">正当出发之前</span><span lang="EN-US">,TINA</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">家的猫出现了，以友人的身份邀我一起做所谓的出口生意</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">并好意要补贴我因科研而亏空的荷包</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">在这时我确实心动了</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">最后答应在猫赞助</span><span lang="EN-US">1000</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">的前提下为其提供</span><span lang="EN-US">50</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">以上的幼体</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">以此赞助支持我其后的海南之行去与林春吉会面,我当时其实除此行的科研经费以及赞助外,自己已经没有分毫的储蓄,更负担不其区区1000多元的海南旅费.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">这件事我觉得最对不起的是石头</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">因为我用着他的路费却答应了帮助我自己,也违背了我一直以来原生鱼不赚利润的原则,虽然事情没有成功,但已经构成犯罪未遂了</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">(3)</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">到达之后</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">在我火速采集到猫所要求的数量之后</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">他却神秘的失踪了</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">这时候同行的研究伙伴提前返回了江浙</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">闻言的杭州鱼友鸽子以为我的采集都是带回来的</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">想到了帮我出售来贴补路费</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">故而到处询问所谓的行情</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">导致流言四起</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">但实情却是友人只带回了少量个体供大家赏玩</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">更不可能有销售之说</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">但这却使鸽子被攻击为我的代言人</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">被认作帮我做非法勾当</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">再此表示对不起了</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">鸽子你的好意心领了</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">(4)与此同时我在当地朋友以及相关机构的寻访找到了老金</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">并与他进行了详细的面谈</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">在确认其非所谓偷捕无德之徒且目睹他实际情况</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">征求了相关机构意见后</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">决定在网络靠其造势力</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">以期鼓励他的繁殖计划</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">当地朋友可证此言</span><span lang="EN-US">.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">老金</span><span lang="EN-US">11</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">月前出售的所有个体</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">基本没有出现严重的应激性</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">且在相对极端环境生存良好</span><span lang="EN-US">,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana">这就是大家支持他繁殖的最主要因素</span><span lang="EN-US">.11月后他就开始潜心研究子代大批量繁殖的问题,再没有出过任何货<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">(5)到达广州后</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">虽然悉心照顾</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">模拟环境</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">但所有百余条成体在</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>48</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">小时内全部出现应激反映死亡</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">在与石头方面以及科研单位的探讨后</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">决定放弃异地繁殖</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; ?Times mso-bidi-font-family: 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: mso-hansi-font-family: New? new="New">而把所有力量支持老金的繁殖计划</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>(6)之后在杭州朋友集资的赞助下,我达到了海南并完成了最后的采集计划,随后回杭</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: Roman?; 1.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: New? 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 10.5pt; FONT-SIZE:>全部计划繁殖的成体在石头以及本校实验室全灭,带回给友人的个体最后一条已于不久前死亡,因此要说世面上的厚唇是我的杰作,恐怕我也是有心无力的了</span></p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2009-2-24 1:40:33编辑过]

<p>一点感想：</p>
<p>善待生命，不要利用这些美丽的小生命来满足荷包</p>
<p>商人无德的太多了</p>

嗯，希望都回到学术研究和兴趣爱好上面来。

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>生物男</i>在2009-2-25 21:38:09的发言：</b><br/>
<p>今天与FISHRECORD电话详聊了相关细节,对于他的质疑作出解释</p>
<p>老金的个体有多少比例的繁殖,我确实没有查实,致歉</p>
<p>但他出售的个体不管来自是他承包的河段内的或是他的繁殖池的</p>
<p>综合实际的物种分布保护现状,我愿意相信他,但即便不是,他的做法也已经得到了一定的效果</p>
<p>长麦穗之事,原本我确定的是浙江以及桂林的产量,今天到达后在黄山的3个地区核实了相关数量</p>
<p>并且在市场亲眼见到相当数量了已经死亡个体,并询问了10数位渔民的描述</p>
<p>综合安徽的实际情况,将当地产量定性为4000-6000斤左右,如此数量已经没有疑义的了</p>
<p>李帆如果还有致疑之处请继续发问</p></div>
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<p><font face="Verdana">你的“澄清帖”，再提到我就没必要了。我来质疑，搞不好又是一场论战；我不质疑，你的描述就都成了我承认的事实。</font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">这些天辨了那么多，相信你也应该能体会到很多事情是很难辨清楚的，如同我们争论的一个</font><font face="Verdana">细节都需要经历天翻地覆的争论方能理出是非</font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">这个帖还是由你来主持吧，我想没必要再多参与</font></p>
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