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鸟人Lv.44 会员认证 发表于 2006-11-26 22:36 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 重庆沙坪坝区

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驴游游Lv.7 发表于 2006-11-26 23:51 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 四川广安邻水县
<p>强烈抗议!</p><p>捞鱼手法跟我差不多!但我是在鱼类资源相对丰富的重庆周边。</p><p>高海拔地带生态脆弱,就不要这样搞了,这绝不是搞科研!</p>
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侯勉Lv.16 发表于 2006-12-2 21:52 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 四川成都
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ww9987</i>在2006-11-28 18:55:07的发言:</b><br/><p>有必要解释一下, </p><p>第一&nbsp;&nbsp;林蛙没有弄死,照片后放掉了。基本原则我们都在遵守。 </p><p>第二 没有初级研究,也就没有后面的分子研究。目前水平上,分子分类不能解决一切问题。按分子分类,人和老鼠也很接近呢。</p><p>[em05]第三&nbsp; 如果按侯兄说的只是拍照和泡酒精,那科学院的人罪过最大了,那么多标本,早该枪毙了。方向不一样,请侯兄理解。谢谢</p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">此次出去</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">本来就是一个本地调查的项目</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">具体保护区不多说</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">采集鱼类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">20</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">来种</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">包括一些比较稀少的高原鳅</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">扁咽齿鱼</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">黄河鱼等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">全部有照片和具体数据</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">最近有幸拜读侯兄参编的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">&lt;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">四川甘孜藏族自治洲野外识别保护手册</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">&gt;(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">爬行类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">两栖类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">鱼类</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">),</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">并详细拜读侯兄提供的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">12</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">种鱼类照片</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">感觉拍的很好</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">希望以后多交流</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">解除分歧</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">另</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">此书</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">3</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">位顾问</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,2</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">位是我们学校的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">主编<personname wst="on" productid="高">高</personname>先生也是此学校毕业</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">希望大家有个好的接触和良好的合作开端</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">照片里的林蛙,后腿僵直,看不出生命的迹象;</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">2. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我从没有否定初级研究的言论,何况我自己也是在摸索和从事基础分类方面的工作。在上次回贴中,我只是就现行研究的实验要求与楼主照片中的行动做做对比而已,这一条楼主是答非所问了;</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">3. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我上次的回帖中没有任何地方说采标本只是要拍照和泡酒精,只是觉得采集标本应该及时处理,不求数量只求质量。当今的环境形势大家都清楚,应尽量避免或减少以任何理由任何方式进行的野外采集,科研不应成为浪费的借口。科学院的人就不会犯错误么?!在以前旧的研究方式和实验方法影响下,科学院以及各级研究机构的确是采集和浪费了不少标本,这是历史事实,所以这些权威机构犯过错误绝不能成为今天去犯同样错误的借口。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">4. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">甘孜那本书以我的观点来说是非常不令人满意的,在当时的条件下完全可以把它做得更完善更唯美,然而由于个别人为的主观的原因,留下了很多错漏和遗憾,希望可以再版,那也许还有补救的机会。我提供的那些照片也都有不少遗憾在里面,还是不够清晰和生动,以后重拍这些鱼的时候我会再努力改进和提高的。西华的生物系在以前是西南地区可以和川大生物系鼎足而立的学术带头机构,不过现在两者都衰落了,不是因为物质条件,是真真正正因为思想和意识跟不上潮流而落后的,这些问题其实也同样存在于其他高校,如何跳出现在的窠臼才是你们在读学生面对的最大问题,你们自己选择的解决方法会决定离开学校后是走向成功还是走向平庸,过分拘泥于书本的教条和老师的观点是不可能获得真正的成功的。</span></p><p></p>
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侯勉Lv.16 发表于 2006-11-28 11:03 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 四川成都
这种虐鱼的照片以后还是不发的好,始终会带来负面影响尤其还是在科研的名目下,更容易让人反感当今的所谓“科研”。何况,就算是科研,也不必把鱼都搞死掉,更不必采集和弄死林蛙!再有,如果是做实验的,要么带活的走要么就地保存酒精标本,这是现在做实验的起码要求,随意提着死鱼等到了住的地方标本都臭了不是浪费是什么?!即便是准备做甲醛浸制标本,这样弄也过分浪费了。最终保留下来的只是无法进行整形的极不新鲜的标本,除最初级的形态研究外再想做其他实验都不可以了...这算哪门子的研究啊?![em06]
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BotiaLv.2 发表于 2006-11-30 13:21 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 广东潮州湘桥区
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff;"></font></div>震撼.............
[此贴子已经被作者于2006-11-30 13:23:52编辑过]
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眼镜恐龙Lv.2 发表于 2006-11-29 22:47 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 山东济南天桥区
能把研究结果公布一下么?初步的也行。
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鸟人楼主Lv.44 会员认证 发表于 2006-11-29 23:00 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 重庆沙坪坝区 /铜梁县
<p>哈哈,大家互相理解</p><p>领域不同,产生分歧难免,希望大家以后无论作什么都把生态保护放在首位就可以老</p><p>&nbsp;</p>[em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10][em10]
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爱斯基摩人Lv.20 发表于 2006-11-27 19:53 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 重庆大渡口区
我太阳哟..有这样子野采的呀?要些死鱼...漠视生命..B4
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饿乌龟Lv.70 会员认证 发表于 2006-11-30 21:12 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 重庆
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马头Lv.2 发表于 2006-11-30 21:09 | 显示全部楼层 IP: 安徽蚌埠怀远县
<p>顶</p>
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